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June 4th, 2014 | Filed Under: Author, Mitch Kuhn, Q and A, Topical Studies, Trinity, Trinity2 Comments | Author:

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I took a letter that Mike just sent me on this question and elaborated a bit. I hope this helps you. Let me know what you think.

Here is the King James Version of John 1:1

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Christ, by His own words, is ‘God’ in the exact same manner in which we are gods:

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

I did not say ‘The exact same capacity’, I did say “The exact same manner we are gods”. What that means is that Christ, just like each of us, came forth out from His Father, and we are all like the Father.

So Christ’s defense for claiming to be the Son of God is “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods” too, so why “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

So what does it mean to be “gods”. First of all, we are both children and gods.

(Psa 82:6 KJV) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

We are also as gods because we are given to know good and evil.

(Gen 3:5 KJV) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

(Gen 3:22 KJV) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Here in Isaiah we find a prophecy of Christ. It is specifically mentioned that he will discern good from evil.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

There is a translation of the bible called the Apostolic Bible Polyglot. This is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Please notice that the same word use for “gods” in Psalms 82:6, is the word used to describe Jesus as God in John 1:1.

(Psa 82:6 ABP+) IG1473 said,G2036 You are gods,G2316 G1510.2.5 andG2532 [2sonsG5207 3of the highestG5310 1all].G3956

(Joh 1:1 KJV+) InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316

This Greek word “theos” is a general term used for a god, therefore we have to look at the context to determine to whom it is referring. Here in Acts it’s used to refer to pagan gods.

(Act 14:11 KJV) And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods (G2316) are come down to us in the likeness of men.

With this in mind we have to look at the sum of God’s word to determine what John 1:1 is really saying about the Word, Christ.

Psa 119:160 The sum of Your word is truth, and all of Your righteous ordinances are eonian.”

Now let’s look at John 1:1 in the Concordant Literal Version:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward (G4314) God, and God was the word. (CLV)

While the most common translation is ‘against’ when you read all those entries where it is translated as ‘against’, it is obvious that the word ‘toward’ is actually a better translation for many of those entries.

To help us understand what it means by “toward”, let’s look at some other verses that translate the same word differently.

(Gal 2:14 KJV) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according (G4314) to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

(2Pe 3:9 KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning (G4314) his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

(Mar 14:4 KJV) And there were some that had indignation within (G4314) themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?

Mar 5:10 NKJV Also he begged Him earnestly that He would not send them out of the country.
Mar 5:11 NKJV Now a large herd of swine was feeding there near (G4314) the mountains.

John 1:1 is simply expressing that the Word is closely associated with God, since it was created by God. God the Father has put his spirit within the Word (Christ).

(Joh 14:20 KJV) At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

(Joh 5:30 KJV) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Jesus is not God the Father, he simply has the spirit of the Father within him. This
is why he is “toward” God.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

The Spirit of God is descending upon Christ because he humbled himself and came in a fleshly body like ours. At the appointed time God the Father gives Christ back his spirit that was in him when he created the world in the beginning.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with (G4314) God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Christ is not God the Father because Christ is the “firstborn” of God’s creation. God created Christ, and then through Christ everything else is created. God then gives Christ the role of being, Lord of all creation.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

God as the ultimate King gives Christ rulership just as Pharaoh gave Joseph rulership of Egypt.

Gen 41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

These next two verses in John re-state some of these points.

Joh 1:2 This was in the beginning toward God.
Joh 1:3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.”

“This” is referring to the Word, which was “toward” God in the beginning. And through the Word was everything made.

Remember from earlier that Christ is the one through whom all is created.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Christ is not his Father because the Father is greater than he is.

(Joh 14:28 KJV) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

He also can do nothing without the Father, therefore he is not the Father.

(Joh 5:30 KJV) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

So in summary, John 1:1 is telling us that Christ is in the likeness of the Father and is given to be God of this creation, but in the end he will turn the kingdom over to the Father.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Let me know if this clears things up,

Mitch
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  • Alice Lubbe

    Nail on the head! Thanks for posting this article. The sum of God’s word is amazing. And I also appreciate the definitions of “God” and “towards,” and the translations provided by the Apostolic Polyglot and Concordant versions. Thanks for digging out these treasures of truth!

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for the kind words Alice!