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New Heavens New Earth and 144,000

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November 19th, 2013 | Filed Under: Author, Heaven, Mitch Kuhn, Q and A0 Comments | Author:

Before I can answer you question we need to establish a few principals about the nature of God’s word and how to view it properly.

God uses physical things in this earth to explain the truth of the spiritual.

(Rom 1:20 NKJV) For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

We learn by first understanding everything physically and then our eyes are opened to things of the spirit.

(1Co 15:46 NKJV) However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

They flesh is only temporary and used by God to reveal things in the spirit. In the end it is the spiritual understanding that matters and will endure.

(Joh 6:63 NKJV) It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

With that being said let’s start with the book of Revelation. I want to point out what is said in the very first chapter.

(Rev 1:1 NKJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,

The whole book of Revelation is “signified” which means that it is all signs and symbols. This are other uses of the same Greek word translated as “signify” in John.

(Joh 12:32 NKJ) And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.”
(Joh 12:33 NKJV) This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

(Joh 21:18 NKJV) Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish.

(Joh 21:19 NKJV) This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, “Follow Me.”

Notice that the words that Christ spoke were quite cryptic to the natural mind. He was speaking in parables and symbols to hide the meaning from those that did not have eyes to see or ears to hear.

(Mar 4:11 NKJV) And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,

(Mat 13:10 NKJV) And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
(Mat 13:11 NKJV) He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

The book of Revelation is spoken in symbols so when it says 144,0000 or a new heaven and new earth it is not saying a literal 144,000 or a new physical heavens or earth. There is a spiritual meaning to these symbols. The scriptures themselves tell us the meaning of these symbols when we compare spiritual with spiritual. This simply means that we use scripture to interpret scripture.

(1Co 2:13 NKJV) These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(1Co 2:14 NKJV) But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The book of Revelation is about the same thing as all the other parables Christ spoke, the Kingdom of Heaven within us.

(Luk 17:20 NKJV) Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
(Luk 17:21 NKJV) nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Luke calls it the kingdom of Heaven:

(Mat 13:44 NKJV) “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

Paul calls it “Christ in you”.

(Col 1:27 NKJV) To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

And in the book of Revelation it is “The Revelation of Jesus Christ”.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place

Notice also that Rev 1:1 says “this which must SHORTLY take place”. This Greek word for shortly “tachos” G5034 means quickly or speedily. These things were to shortly take place because they happen within the lives of God’s elect while yet still dwelling in their bodies of flesh. It happened in all the lives of the Apostles while they were yet alive.

Christ says it another way:

(Luk 21:32 NKJV) Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Christ is answering this question posed by the disciples

Luk 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

During Christ’s ministry the disciples could only think physically according to their carnal mind so they thought he was speaking of physical things when he was really speaking in parables and symbols about what would take place within each and every one of them.

(Luk 21:9 NKJV) But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately.”
(Luk 21:10 NKJV) Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
(Luk 21:11 NKJV) And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.

All of these things happen primarily within ourselves because the kingdom does not come with observation as we learned in Luke 17:20, but it comes within us. It is the exact same with the book of Revelation.

That being said there is an outward and physical fulfillment of God’s word because he does teach spiritual things through the things that are made as we learned in Romans 1:20, and God’s word, is, was and will be.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

So the 144,000 in Revelation 7 is symbolic of God’s elect.

(Rev 7:4 NKJV) And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

12,000 from twelve tribes. In the scriptures twelve is the number of spiritual foundations. For example Christ chose twelve apostles that were used to spread the Gospel to the rest of the world. God’s elect are chosen for that same purpose, to take Christ’s message to the rest of the world.

Here is a study series on the numbers that will help you understand the spiritual meaning of numbers.

Numbers in scripture

The elect are those that are made like Christ in their lifetime and endure faithfully to the end.

Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

(Rev 17:14 NKJV) These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

These chosen Saints who are faithful to the end are those that will be resurrected in the first resurrection to rule and reign with Christ during the symbolic thousand year reign.

(Rev 20:4 NKJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

This verse is full of symbolic language that all reiterates that these are God’s faithful elect.

Beheaded for the witness to Jesus = losing our carnal mind and being given the mind of Christ.

(1Co 2:16 NKJV) For “WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD THAT HE MAY INSTRUCT HIM?” But we have the mind of Christ.

(Rom 8:5 NKJV) For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
(Rom 8:6 NKJV) For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Worshiping the beast= worshiping the flesh, which is carnal.

Mark on his forehead= this is about having a carnal mind as well.

Mark on the hands = works of the flesh vs. works of the spirit

These elect will live and reign with Christ when he physically returns to this earth to rule with a rod of iron.

(1Th 4:16 NKJV) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
(1Th 4:17 NKJV) Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

(Rev 2:26 NKJV) And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

This outward and physical series of events is a mere shadow of the rule of Christ taking place within each of our lives as we live by every word of God (Matthew 4:4)

At the end of the symbolic 1,000 years (millennium) the earth and all flesh are destroyed.

(2Pe 3:10 NKJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

This paves the way for the creation for the new heavens and the new earth. However this is a new spiritual heaven and a new spiritual earth.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

God is Spirit and we are being made like him. Spiritual beings like the angels have no need for a physical place to live. This is impossible for the natural mind to understand, but it is the truth of the scriptures.

(Joh 4:24 NKJV) God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

So the new heavens and new earth are about everyone being raised with a new spiritual body (earth) and God dwelling within them and giving them a new spiritual mind (heavens). At then end of all things God is all in all – the fullness of his Spirit dwelling in everyone’s new spiritual body.

(1Co 15:28 NKJV) Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Isaiah is also speaking in symbols that reveal spiritual things.

(Isa 43:20 NKJV) The beast of the field will honor Me, The jackals and the ostriches, Because I give waters in the wilderness And rivers in the desert, To give drink to My people, My chosen.
(Isa 43:21 NKJV) This people I have formed for Myself; They shall declare My praise.

We are all beasts that do not honor God at first when we are carnal, and then we are changed so that we do honor God.

(Ecc 3:18 KJV) I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

(2Pe 2:10 NKJV) and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,
(2Pe 2:11 NKJV) whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
(2Pe 2:12 NKJV) But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,

Anyone that has a carnal mind and is living in disobedience to Christ is a natural brute beast and will be judged in due time. When this judgement takes place we learn to be righteous.

(Isa 26:9 NKJV) With my soul I have desired You in the night, Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early; For when Your judgments are in the earth, The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

The beasts that were once rebellious are chastened and they learn in time to sings songs to Christ and the Father in worship.

(Rev 5:8 KJV) And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
(Rev 5:9 KJV) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The wicked have no peace. The righteous are the ones who dwell in peace.

(Isa 57:20 NKJV) But the wicked are like the troubled sea, When it cannot rest, Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
(Isa 57:21 NKJV) “There is no peace,” Says my God, “for the wicked.”

It is when we are chastened from our wickedness that we come to Christ and have peace.

(Rom 8:6 NKJV) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

(Tit 2:11 KJV) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(Tit 2:12 KJV) Teaching (chastening) us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

There is so much more to say that cannot be expressed in this brief letter. I hope this does serve as a foundation to answering your question.

Here are some other articles that will help you:

This is an outline of the physical events that will happen outwardly one day. This is a representation of the process of conversion that takes place within each and every one of us.

Timeline of Events

I suggest that you go through the studies found on this page. It will lay the true foundation of Christ in your mind.

Start Here

Please let me know if you have further questions,


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